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and they look extremely bored. michael, senator john kerry is playing the president's sparring partner. the role of mitt romney, as he prepares for next week's debate. andrea mitchell asked him earlier about that memo from beth mye. rs. here is what mr. kerry had to say. >> please, please, please, give me 20 breaks, not just one. the fact is that mitt romney is a very good debater. he's practiced and practiced and practiced and practiced. this is the biggest deal in the world to him. >> he's right, isn't he? because mr. romney obviously has a lot more time to devote to debate practice than the president does and i expect it could be edadvantageous for mr. romney. >> well, i guess the other thing is romney has debated how many primary debates? about 20? it was ludicrous. so he's had a lot of time -- >> to be fair, michael, he wasn't debating figures of einstein intelligence. >> that's right. and a couple other differences, a one-on-one debate is very different than that clown car of, you know, 12 people coming out on the stage and the other is that in those primary debates, you know, people were

and john kerry fought it out every day about the war. in 2008 we were at war, and barack obama and john mccain fought it out every day in that war. this week when the financial crisis was absolutely on fire, at that debate, they were talking about the wars. this year, president obama does bring it up, he does bring it up at most of his stump speeches, how he explains what he has done and planning on doing talking about the two wars. he doesn't have to say much more because he's speaking to an empty room. the romney campaign has no identifiable position on afghanistan. they have been unwilling and unable to hold up that side of debate and so regardless of what it means for the candidates as a country we are deprived of a national discussion about a war we are in. 70,000 american families having skin in the game right now. we have -- that's part of the reason i'm looking forward to the debates. some ways sort of a post-policy campaign. and you can't do that in a debate, at least unless the debate is really bad. >> this is -- this is billed as a domestic policy debate, but -- and there are so

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is the mock mitt romney, if you will, john kerry, senator john kerry of massachusetts, he also battle tested. he had his own experience in these debates in 2004. people forget he had a series of epic debates debating a republican governor of massachusetts who challenged him for his senate seat back in 1996. that was bill welles. so it's going to be intense, and as you mentioned, he leaves tomorrow, has one event on the ground when he leaves for nevada. then he goes to ground, training at altitude, because the debate is in the mile-high city of denver. but we don't expect to see much of him. he's going to be doing a lot of practicing for that debate wednesday night. >> this is president obama's first debate since 2008. governor romney had what seemed like 163 primary debates earlier this year. how confident are the president's advisers that he's not a tad rusty? >> reporter: you know, i think that that's something, a story line that they would like to promote. what we've seen, it's almost comica comical, to the extent we've seen both camps downplayings the expectations. so much of life is exp

john kerry was not the right guy to play mitt romney, anything like that? >> no, because, you know, i don't know how you can say that, because in a way, mitt romney and john kerry are very formal people, they are obviously well educated people with a kind of refinement about them, they aren't sloppy in any way, obnoxious in any way, they use firm language but both basically strong people, in the accomplishment, it was probably a very good pick but the romney that came in last night i would say you were right a couple of minutes ago, that romney was not predictable, he came in so strong and so in charge that he basically took over the room and i felt he was sufficient on that stage meaning the president didn't need to be on there for romney to put on the show or jim lehrer, it was romney control of that space and physical control of that space which was so dominant, i don't think we have seen anything like it before. >> rose:. >> in probably a presidential debate. >> rose: i also heard this was not a new romney in the context of have i seen him before. >> yes, mike barnicle saw him i

to come up with an analogy which is for me the de ja vu of this election is 2004. okay? when john kerry couldn't describe his position was on the war of iraq, would he he have voted for it knowing what he knew at that time? how would he get out of it? it's one thing to deliver a critique of a sitting president with big challenges. even if you think that the sitting president is responsible for all of those challenges, as democrats thought about president bushes, they are now thinking about it with president obama. it's easy. when you say, i'm going to make it better, vote for me. people not unreasonably, not laugh blee say, how are you going to do that? what are you going to do? john kerry struggled with that question. mitt romney is struggling with that now. >> that seems to be the problem. what is the message besides we don't like president obama. >> my problem with the campaign is they really need to start delineating between what the obama campaipresidency looks li romney's presidentially will look like. i agree with you, we're getting down to the 11th hour and there's one final deb

candidates that you mentioned. >> that's right. he eliminated that. john kerry in '04. >> this is somebody who proved he's going to run to the finish line last night. >> much more to come, special post debate edition of the daily rundown in denver. big supporters for both campaigns here to break down the debate. senator orrin hatch on behalf of mitt romney and governor mark o'malley on behalf of president obama. president obama does two rallies. one in denver. one in madison, wisconsin. then heads home. mitt romney, nothing here. flies and joins paul ryan in virginia later today. you're watching "the daily rundown" only on msnbc. new prilosec otc wildberry is the same frequent heartburn treatment as prilosec otc. now with a fancy coating that gives you a burst of wildberry flavor. now why make a flavored heartburn pill? because this is america. and we don't just make things you want, we make things you didn't even know you wanted. like a spoon fork. spray cheese. and jeans made out of sweatpants. so grab yourself some new prilosec otc wildberry. [ male announcer ] one pill each morning. 24

about it. my take is president clinton had a great advice, and i think it was for john kerry in 2004, which is, always run as if the economy is doing well. his point about that was if you run on the message as romney has that the economy is in the tank and the president has messed it up, you better hope that the economic data is sufficiently bad leading up to the election that that argument that has real trenches. the problem is not that the economic data is so great, it's not. it's clearly not getting particularly worse, and there's a lot of evidence it's getting a little better in terms of jobs and income. that totally removes the steam from the argument of, you've messed everything up. >> sure. in addition to the actual data, there's some polling that indicates that people at least feel like the economy is improving, and the right track/wrong track question. a lot of folks more than six months ago saying we think the country is moving in a good directions. how does that happen? if the numbers aren't dramatically different how can people feel like things are okay. >> you have two p

taking constructive criticism? is he bristoling? responding to jibes from john kerry playing mitt romney? >> well, the mood is a lot of hard work, you know, he's been able to take a couple of trips, you know, to the hoover dam and he went to visit our field office, but, you know, he's putting good time in to get ready for this debate. as you know we had to cut back other debate prep because of the job of being president, but he's taken the criticism well and i think that you'll see him show up tonight well prepared. >> there is a foreign policy debate exploding around him and this is supposed to be a domestic policy debate. the question now as darrell issa and know jason chav fits right letters to hillary clinton demanding answers to what happened in benghazi, questions about whether people there asked for more security, whether there was an intelligence failure, there's talk of plans for retaliation, if the targeting can be found, what is the response to the republican criticism and criticism from some democrats that this was not handled well? >> well, i'll leave some of the details to

the debates. did he end up being president? no, he did not. >> john kerry. >> john kerry won the debates. he also did not end up being president. >> yeah, but, karen, i think what's different this time around is the absolute falsification that took place last night. it was breath-taking. it was almost -- well, it was shakespearean in terms of its performance. >> and you know what, martin, to that point, i think part of whether where i'd like to see the obama folks take this message is, we have already had a president who is very comfortable, and a vice president by the way, looking us straight in the eye and lying to us and sending men and women to war. do we want to have another president who can stand on the stage for 90 minutes and lie to the american people? i don't think that's what we want. i think that's dangerous for this country. i think they're really going to have to go hard at that. unfortunately, not a lot of people are reading the fact checks, right? we all know and a lot of the mi knew sha of the facts and where he was wrong and wasn't wrong, i don't know how much people are p

, but i certainly would not underestimate what barack obama brings to it. >> reporter: john kerry's playing romney with the president. in a weekend memo, republicans urged kerry to press the president on libya and syria. romney calls obama's foreign policy dangerous. romney's debate plan, clearly and concisely explain how he can fix the economy. >> i expect to be able to describe that in a way people will understand, and if they do, i get elected. >> reporter: his running mate, paul ryan, is already preparing for his own debate a week away. >> i really believe in the policies that we're providing, we're pursuing. and at the end of the day, i'm just going to go in there and be me. >> reporter: and if you can't control what actually happens in the debate, you certainly control what happens afterwards. the spin already in the planning. ryan's going to be with romney in virginia. the president is staying in colorado for a rally there. veronica? >> tracie, we appreciate it. thank you. >>> nato forces in afghanistan say three international service members and their translator were kille

states. i covered john kerry. we went to colorado and virginia early on. somewhere in september, you backed out. there's a sign there, moving in this direction and now, you can see obama, virginia, very close here. these states are changing and that's driving some of the changes in the politics as well. >> you know, two issue themes that i feel like i see out of here and one is near and dear to your heart, governor lamm, which has to do with fiscal issues and retirement reform. about you know, at some point, we're going to have, the people have a due di to die, when you were talking about how expensive it is. fiscal issues here. if obama doesn't win this state, do you think it's the fiscal issues are the reason? >> if he doesn't win the state, you know, i don't think either of them have shown particularly courage on fiscal issues. i think if obama's able to tie ryan's plan, of course, romney has endorsed it. but it really hasn't stuck yet. i'm in the funny position that i i'm in the funny position that i think ryan just have to fire roast these tomatoes. do you churn your own butter

didn't do as much prep as he might have -- all the prep was against john kerry channeling the mitt romney we've seen for the last five years. >> what's interesting, mika -- >> we ought to be looking at that. >> we have steve schmidt on yesterday. steve schmidt would call me during the 2008 campaign. and it used to drive him crazy, and the mccain campaign crazy, about how arrogant the obama team was. he was, like, they don't respect us at all. he'd go, why -- you know, they don't think we have anything. and that was the attitude that they set forth. and i've just got to believe also there was a huge level of overconfidence going into that romney debate. kind of like the dukakis team had in 1988, that they were the smartest people on the planet, and they looked down on the waters and the great unwashed, and i think maybe he was in shock that mitt romney came out and was effective as he was. >> or maybe they felt and maybe rightfully so, they didn't really need the debate as much as they thought they did. >> maybe they listened to donny. >> but i want to know, mark halperin, what you

, john kerry with bush, it helps elevate them. there were times it didn't, bob dole first time didn't help him. >> that's a special case, hard to be on stage with president clinton have that turn out well, he is particularly uniquely capable of drawing in an audience. >> people thought that of reagan, he had a bad first outing. >> rag had eagan had an age thi. clinton is extraordinary. i think debates are so different at this moment in a campaign. we have folks calling this campaign the early voting has started, the sense that this is, you know, still sort of a meaningful contribution is up for grabs. >> mike, watching one of the things we've seen, something the polsters warned about, fewer and fewer folks claim the debates are as decisive for them. >> i think they will be. you still have a small undecided. that's what makes the difference. >> they watch, right? that's the hope, you want to be sure they watch. >> yes, i think both sides want that. ratings will be good for the debates, it is a great opportunity, in terms of expectation setting, they're excellent. wouldn't be at this

are running the process. john kerry is a formidable challenger there. he'll stand in as mitt romney. one thing we're reporting is both sides trying to lower expectations heading into the debate on wednesday, which is key for both candidates, alex. >> for themselves and increasing them for the other guy. that's what they're doing right now. thank you so much. let's bring in the political power panel. jonathan kapart, and chris cofinus and jackie gingrich kushman, author and daughter of newt gingrich and former adviser to her father's presidential campaign. welcome to the throuee of you. five days is all mitt romney has before the debate. the politico article everybody is talking about today say this isn't the chair or ho hum convention or the leaked video or distorted polls or the message or mormonism. it's mitt. does he have enough time for a real game change? >> you know, five days before the first debate, 40 days before election day people go around the country already are starting to vote early voting in a bunch of states across the country. it's unclear whether there's enough time. as that

of doing that. and a good opponent which i think he has here. john kerry as his debate, you know, preparation opponent here, that can school him in these things. that i think is important and kerry's quite good. we saw that in 2004. he did quite well in all three of those debates but it should be sobering to romney that kerry did well in those debates but it was not decisive in the election. >> a challenger wins just by being on the stage with an incumbent president, but you have to be ronald reagan and do a there you go again and make something of that in the ensuing campaign and also outside events, obviously, iran, the hostage situation was fatally damaging to jimmy carter. but -- >> you can only make the case that really three presidential elections of the modern elections, the debates really played an important role. 1980 was one of those. >> 1960. >> 1960 and probably gerald ford's election where he said that the eastern europe was not -- or poland was not dominated by the soviet union, made some difference in a close election. but this is going to be a close election. in s

majority leader if republicans get enough seats. even saying he'd support john kerry for secretary of state. but he did trip up when he was asked to name his model supreme court justice. >> let me see here. that's a great question. i think justice scalia is a very good judge. justice kennedy is obviously very good. and justice roberts, justice -- >> warren couldn't hold in her laughter, but she had her own oops moment. >> can you name some republicans in the senate today that you are able to work with on big issues, substantiative issues the country faces? >> probably richard lugar would come to mind. >> he's not going to be there. who else can you name? >> that is a problem. >> by the way, on scalia, in a state like massachusetts, the conservative justice there not very popular with some of the base folks there. not only has the massachusetts senate race become one of the most competitive in the country, it's sparked fireworks outside the debate hall. kelli o'donnell is in massachusetts. kelly, take me into the spin room. take me into the crowd. we saw what happened on air wp what happened

] to his hotel for some down time. since senator john kerry is not accompanying him, assume the last debates for now are over. in fact, we think he is going to be spending time with his advisers, consulting with him and also some time with the first lady this evening. as you know, polls show the president with a modest lead right now, some sense, cameron, he has the most to lose. there certainly is a lot riding on it. >> kristen, tomorrow, the president will be in wisconsin, right? >> that's absolutely right. back in wisconsin, friday, and then he has one down day on saturday then back on the campaign trail. i will be with him, but of course, going to be hoping that tonight is at least a victory you the president can campaign on that in the next several days. >> thank you. joining me now, nbc news political analyst, former pennsylvania governor ed rendell. thank you so much for your time you governor. >> sure, tamron. how are you? >> i am very good. let me first get your feeling going into this. i know we are several hours out. but what is your gut telling you? >> i'm as confused and

back and cleans his clock in the second one. john kerry in 2004, you remember, won the first debate, against george bush. george bush similarly seemed very unhappy to be there as the president. bush comes back in the second one and wins, goes on to win. so lots of opportunity for the president to come back. but clearly let romney back into this. >> i guess, sam, how far is mitt going to go towards the middle? i mean, bill brings up the question of reproductive rights, the obama care question is certainly still, you know, how much is mitt romney going to embrace massachusetts, his legacy there, in the coming weeks? it's a sharp pivot. >> wasn't just during the debate. he was on fox news saying his 47% comments were completely wrong after doing a press conference the night after saying he stood by the basic premise of it. they are pivoting, the extent to which it goes i have no idea. the extent to which he said he never wrote that op-ed never go bankrupt we'll have the full turn there. to get back to the first turn, i don't think their contradictory attacks by the obama campaign -- it

that well in his first debate with john kerry. i think exactly the same thing here. with obama sitting in those meetings saying i know this stuff, i deal with it all the time, but he hadn't been forced in a debate setting to say these are the offensive argument, defensive arguments these are the three points i want to make and i think that was part of his problem. >> i think one of sort of malpractice moments, the most obvious was the two-minute closing statement. you're a speechwriter, you're a columnist now, you prepare presidents. how does he not have a narrative? we talk about narratives and it becomes slangy, but telling a story, with a start, middle and end and he had a two-minute closer that sounded as chris mathews said, memorably, sounded like a concession speech. you know, i'm not a perfect man, i've made mistakes, i'm sure mitt romney would say i've made mistakes how is that the opening line of your two-minute closer? >> yeah. >> that he carried into the closing statement. i don't think that -- i think that was lacking in the rest of the performance for the president. >> the

for the president as bad a performance add george w. bush had in his first debate against john kerry. >> the president had an opportunity tonight. he created a problem for himself on social security tonight. he agrees with mitt romney. every liberal in this country knows that mitt romney wants to privatize social security down the road. and to do a deal with the devil on that would be the wrong thing to do. i think the president created a big problem for himself. i don't think he explained himself very well on the economy. i thought he was off his game. i was stunned tonight. rash elyou just mentioned about time, the president needs to get in and fight for that time. there's people that expect him to fight for that time. >> i thought the one thing that mitt romney did tonight that he has not done for the duration of the campaign and was very effective was just lop off the right wing of his party. he didn't care about them tonight. if something was popular, more money for community schools, he was for that. it didn't matter if it would make the right wing, how. whenever the president

. yesterday on nbc's andrea mitchell reports, senator john kerry praised mitt romney's debate prowess and the president's limitations going into the debate. let's take a listen to this. >> it's tough i think for a president who hasn't had primaries, hasn't been out there, hasn't been debating in four years, then he only had very few debates that weren't as consequential. is the campaign seriously concerned about the president not being prepared here, laura? are these pre-emptive excuses? >> i don't think they're concerned about his being unprepared. for starters as president he is up-to-date on every world issue, any issue out there. they have spent a lot of time preparing for understanding mitt romney's record and understanding the lines of attack that are likely to come from romney. so i don't think there's going to be any question about preparation. they are concerned about some aspects of the president's performance. he does tend to sort of be a little professor didn't like. go on in settings where there is no stop watch timing his spons. so he needs to be quicker, he needs to be

couple of days, president obama will be debating with john kerry. of course, he is someone who is no stranger to presidential debates. now, campaign officials tell us that so far they have had four mock debates. not as many as they would have hoped. they say president obama had to cancel a few given he's dealing with issues like the unrest in the middle east. that's what they're telling us. we can also tell you they're trying to tamp down expectations ahead of wednesday's big debate. we're told according to campaign officials they're working with the president to try to get him to shorten some of his answers. as you know, this president has been described as long-winded at times. campaign officials feel as though that's not conducive to having a successful debate performance. so they're trying to encourage him to give shorter, crisper answers to make sure his key points don't get lost on wednesday night. as i said, both sides are trying to tamp down expectations. we cannot overstate that. they are really keeping praise on one another. there's really a lot at stake on wednesday

, which is, of course, a key battleground state, going through the debate camp. senator john kerry playing the role of governor romney. that's good for two reasons at least for the obama campaign because he knows mitt romney very well, coming from the state of massachusetts, but also is veteran debater himself. he's been helping the president out. now, the thing that we'll be watching for is what the real push will be from the obama campaign. and the romney campaign tonight in terms of their overall theme. as you know, it is all about domestic policies, so they're talking about the economy, about health care, about the role of government, what the president will do, according to top campaign aides is say, yes, look, the economy still has a long way to go. but it is in a much better place than it was and it is heading in the right direction. mitt romney will say that the president has had time to fix the economy, and there has been a lot of broken promises. so that's what we'll expect from both of the candidates as they take on each other tonight during the first debate. >> dan lothian repo

government, left wing democrat who just this morning we learned has -- a unanimous senate panel led by john kerry is demanding he tell the truth about benghazi. every time you turn around, underneath this zone of the great speaker there is a president with massive unemployment. they just downgraded the economy for the last three months yesterday. the manufacturing index is collapsing. and so i'm just suggesting -- >> this benghazi story by the way is a huge story. right now dee dee myers the fbi won't even go into benghazi because it is so dangerous which leads you to wonder why they didn't listen to warnings before the attack and before our u.s. ambassador was killed. this is one of those issues and i think charles krauthammer said it perfectly today in "the washington post" that if mitt romney actually knew how to put forth an argument. >> right. >> he could really be grabbing attention. >> one of the problems was he jumped out ahead of this and politicized it in the hours immediately after the attack which discredited him in the media term as a spokesman for the other side. >> it was --

of those things tonight. megyn talk about that. cautionary note about maggie. remember, john kerry had a really good first debate against george bush. accused of sleep walking in that debate. bush went on a long bike ride that day. was a little bit tired. bush came back in next two debates and cleaned up and obviously went on to win. >> history of incumbent presidents losing first debate. we saw that with president reagan when he was running for re-election. these guys, they're not used to being challenged they become so convinced what they're doing. they heard it for 4:00 years. they don't realize you're making sale all over again. >> right. for obama, can you reelect me. i have got work to do here. let's get this over with. 37 days to go up wrap this up. people want to see you fight for it and really win the job again. >> i think one of the things they're probably debating internally whether or not they played it to save. >> right. >> that to me seemed like a debate, they went in, you know what? got the thing basically wrapped up stall stall a little bit. don't look con today sending

to do what john f. kerry has nearly always done, find a way to win. >> you lie and not both endlessly. they don't have a name on it, john o'neill. >> hold that, hold that. >> you lied -- >> what about mr. carthy, mr. o'neill? >> i am appalled. >> and understand why you are screaming. you can't afford the truth. >> you never met -- >> cbs news has exclusive information including documents that now sheds new light on the president's service record. 60 minutes has obtained government documents that indicate mr. bush may have received preferential treatment in the guard after not filling his commitments. >> vote republican and you vote to enable george bush to keep rolling as an emperor, a child emperor. but an emperor. >> i have to tell you, as part of record in this case this election. the feeling most people when they hear barack obama speech, i feel that's going up my leg. i don't have that too often. it's a dramatic event. there's nothing to do with politics and has to do with the guy we have about our country. and that is an objective assessment. >> i read that she once took a psych

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